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	<title>Comments on: Street walkers and vigilantes in a New Zealand community</title>
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		<title>By: Elena Jeffreys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena Jeffreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link: http://www.scarletalliance.org.au/library/sub-nz06</description>
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		<title>By: Elena Jeffreys</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/street-walkers-and-vigilantes-in-a-new-zealand-community#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena Jeffreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Scarlet Alliance urges all members of hte New Zealand Parliament to maintain a focus on street based sex worker safety while solving current issues raised by non-sex working residents in relation to amenity impact.

Scarlet Alliance recommends safe houses for street based sex workers as a win-win solution for sex workers and non-sex working residents in street sex work areas. Safe houses provide safety for sex workers, and also lower amenity impact in sex working areas by giving sex workers and clients a private and discreet location in which to meet and provide services.”

from Scarlet Alliance Submission in opposition to The Manukau City Council (Control of Street Prostitution) Bill &amp; in support of the Rights of Street Based Sex Workers 2006 (link below)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Scarlet Alliance urges all members of hte New Zealand Parliament to maintain a focus on street based sex worker safety while solving current issues raised by non-sex working residents in relation to amenity impact.</p>
<p>Scarlet Alliance recommends safe houses for street based sex workers as a win-win solution for sex workers and non-sex working residents in street sex work areas. Safe houses provide safety for sex workers, and also lower amenity impact in sex working areas by giving sex workers and clients a private and discreet location in which to meet and provide services.”</p>
<p>from Scarlet Alliance Submission in opposition to The Manukau City Council (Control of Street Prostitution) Bill &amp; in support of the Rights of Street Based Sex Workers 2006 (link below)</p>
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		<title>By: Reflecting on New Zealand&#8217;s Prostitution Reform Act &#171; Bound, Not Gagged</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/street-walkers-and-vigilantes-in-a-new-zealand-community#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflecting on New Zealand&#8217;s Prostitution Reform Act &#171; Bound, Not Gagged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting comments on that post centred on the law&#8217;s effects on or benefits to street workers, so I wrote about that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ted Cheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Cheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Laura, the discussion of NZ PRA is very inspiring.

Best,

Ted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Laura, the discussion of NZ PRA is very inspiring.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Ted</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Cheng</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/street-walkers-and-vigilantes-in-a-new-zealand-community#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Cheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A weird argument i have heard in Taiwan is that,

(context: in taiwan legislation, there are laws regulating trafficking and child prostitution, also a law that punish sex workers and the third parties and the clients are not under any regulation.  Now sex worker rights NGO wants to abolish the law that punish sex workers while the anti-prostitution campaign wants to revise the law into the one that decriminalizes prostitutes and criminalizes clients, because the anti prostitution campaign considered that the decriminalization of sex worker without punish &quot;patriarchy&quot;(client) at the same time equals to the recognition of patriarchy, then we cannot allowed the decriminalization of sex workers in such a way)

some anti-prostitution NGOs (they agree with the decriminalization of sex workers but not of clients) said, &quot;because once the decriminalization of both sex workers and clients the sex workers without any proper accompanying policy sex worker would face such an aggressive insult and became more marginalized, so we need a comprehensive policy to avoid the situation, that is, severe punishment of clients and the third parties to reduce prostitution at the same time while the passage of decriminalization of sex workers.  Otherwise, we should just asked them to transfer their work and reduce the prostitution.&quot;  So, why not decriminalize sex worker first and later design a policy to solve the problem which might happen?  they said, &quot;because prostitution (the institution) is the embodiment of patriarchy (men &quot;play&quot; women).  if we cannot change patriarchy, why agreed with these women to do sex work to obey the patriarchy.  Besides, most of them are in suffer as the statistic shows, but we cannot see what would be better for them after the legalization because there is no positive evidence, any more comprehensive research to prove their life would be better after the legalization.&quot;--&gt;i do not understanding the logic. 

What i want to say,  the thorough policy is important, but in such a case, the thorough policy became an excuse to delay the decriminalization of sex workers (but some of the fault resulted from government&#039;s fault, the government think since without a public consent of the legalization, so the decriminalization of sex workers should be postponed).  Should a thorough policy postpone the decriminalization of sex worker?  Why not decriminalize it and solve other problems too, why the problems then became the stone curbing the importance of decriminalization, since they also agree to the importance of decriminalization?  Maybe the key problem is how we think sex work as well as the thorough sex work policy are different, and there is no good conversation, but it became an intriguing lock of the political debate, especially when pro- and anti-NGOs respectively represent different stance--street sex worker versus victim.  Also the legislation could only have one model, but  two different stances must reach a difficult consent (i think it is possible, but somehow it is still in the deadlock except only the decriminalization of sex workers(consent is about should but not how))

NZ legislation and the later discussion of its problems is a good model for others&#039; discussion, but sometimes it is frustrating that the discussion still stay in a dead lock like TW.  You have mentioned the cultural studies of sex work, it is important base for legislative discussion, but the dead lock of the debate also restrict the broadness of the studies too.</description>
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<p>(context: in taiwan legislation, there are laws regulating trafficking and child prostitution, also a law that punish sex workers and the third parties and the clients are not under any regulation.  Now sex worker rights NGO wants to abolish the law that punish sex workers while the anti-prostitution campaign wants to revise the law into the one that decriminalizes prostitutes and criminalizes clients, because the anti prostitution campaign considered that the decriminalization of sex worker without punish &#8220;patriarchy&#8221;(client) at the same time equals to the recognition of patriarchy, then we cannot allowed the decriminalization of sex workers in such a way)</p>
<p>some anti-prostitution NGOs (they agree with the decriminalization of sex workers but not of clients) said, &#8220;because once the decriminalization of both sex workers and clients the sex workers without any proper accompanying policy sex worker would face such an aggressive insult and became more marginalized, so we need a comprehensive policy to avoid the situation, that is, severe punishment of clients and the third parties to reduce prostitution at the same time while the passage of decriminalization of sex workers.  Otherwise, we should just asked them to transfer their work and reduce the prostitution.&#8221;  So, why not decriminalize sex worker first and later design a policy to solve the problem which might happen?  they said, &#8220;because prostitution (the institution) is the embodiment of patriarchy (men &#8220;play&#8221; women).  if we cannot change patriarchy, why agreed with these women to do sex work to obey the patriarchy.  Besides, most of them are in suffer as the statistic shows, but we cannot see what would be better for them after the legalization because there is no positive evidence, any more comprehensive research to prove their life would be better after the legalization.&#8221;&#8211;&gt;i do not understanding the logic. </p>
<p>What i want to say,  the thorough policy is important, but in such a case, the thorough policy became an excuse to delay the decriminalization of sex workers (but some of the fault resulted from government&#8217;s fault, the government think since without a public consent of the legalization, so the decriminalization of sex workers should be postponed).  Should a thorough policy postpone the decriminalization of sex worker?  Why not decriminalize it and solve other problems too, why the problems then became the stone curbing the importance of decriminalization, since they also agree to the importance of decriminalization?  Maybe the key problem is how we think sex work as well as the thorough sex work policy are different, and there is no good conversation, but it became an intriguing lock of the political debate, especially when pro- and anti-NGOs respectively represent different stance&#8211;street sex worker versus victim.  Also the legislation could only have one model, but  two different stances must reach a difficult consent (i think it is possible, but somehow it is still in the deadlock except only the decriminalization of sex workers(consent is about should but not how))</p>
<p>NZ legislation and the later discussion of its problems is a good model for others&#8217; discussion, but sometimes it is frustrating that the discussion still stay in a dead lock like TW.  You have mentioned the cultural studies of sex work, it is important base for legislative discussion, but the dead lock of the debate also restrict the broadness of the studies too.</p>
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