Comments on: Prevention of trafficking? Keeping women at home, more like http://www.lauraagustin.com/prevention-of-trafficking-keeping-women-at-home-more-like Dr Laura Agustín on Migration, Trafficking and Sex Mon, 21 May 2012 11:21:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: healing http://www.lauraagustin.com/prevention-of-trafficking-keeping-women-at-home-more-like#comment-1451 healing Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:03:53 +0000 http://www.lauraagustin.com/?p=3819#comment-1451 we should unite with prostituted and trafficked persyns and not let people such as the persyn above be the mouth piece that silences womyn and that draws attention away from the real situations of womyn, and the violence which is systematically accepted through such practices as charging trafficked/ prostituted peoples, and not the solicitors of sex, or men who create the demand for the prostitution, and therefore perpetuate the system of violence. CK, although your argument appears thoughtless, and self riteous on many fronts, I will only point out one glaringly bad point you make. You advocate for "the beautiful 'spontaneous order' created by free men in a free society". here you erase womyn altogether from the creation of society. this is why we need feminism today. we should unite with prostituted and trafficked persyns and not let people such as the persyn above be the mouth piece that silences womyn and that draws attention away from the real situations of womyn, and the violence which is systematically accepted through such practices as charging trafficked/ prostituted peoples, and not the solicitors of sex, or men who create the demand for the prostitution, and therefore perpetuate the system of violence.

CK, although your argument appears thoughtless, and self riteous on many fronts, I will only point out one glaringly bad point you make.

You advocate for “the beautiful ‘spontaneous order’ created by free men in a free society”. here you erase womyn altogether from the creation of society. this is why we need feminism today.

]]> By: healing http://www.lauraagustin.com/prevention-of-trafficking-keeping-women-at-home-more-like#comment-1450 healing Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:50:47 +0000 http://www.lauraagustin.com/?p=3819#comment-1450 libertarians like us? i am glad that you identify yourself. because all womyn do not enter the sex trade as libertarians or with the same sense of choice you suggest you have. please realize that you are writing from a very privileged position. not all womyn entering the sex trade do not have the same pro-choice analysis that you have when they become prostituted peoples, or exotic dancers. sex workers are not born out of "the beautiful spontaneous order"... the realities of sex workers are ugly. being raped several times a day, isolated and abused by pimps, a life of drugs and alcohol to numb the disturbing reality... I will not generalize that this is the situation of all sex workers, as it is clearly not your case, ( I am not sure if you a sex trade worker or prostituted person yourself) but I was, and know this painful reality. In fact, 90% of the womyn in the club where I worked had pimps, and certainly were not exercising "an alternate feminist voice". My experience was, and from reading the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women website is that womyn most commonly enter the sex trade from a history of abuse, low self esteem and lack of social network. Many womyn are migrants and are taken advantage of in situations of poverty (nations facing poverty as a result often of the free markets) and abuse (again, systematically promoted through patriarchy). I would like the pro-choice arguers to think of the points I make, not very eloquently or in depth I admit. But I want them to think to consider that their arguments are coming from a privileged position, a position that most sex workers do not enjoy, and that pro-choice arguments that do not acknowledge that they come from a position of power, are in fact, detracting from the fact that the majority of sex workers are oppressed and not "libertarians", and are counter productive to supporting these womyn who do need protecting. libertarians like us? i am glad that you identify yourself. because all womyn do not enter the sex trade as libertarians or with the same sense of choice you suggest you have. please realize that you are writing from a very privileged position.

not all womyn entering the sex trade do not have the same pro-choice analysis that you have when they become prostituted peoples, or exotic dancers.

sex workers are not born out of “the beautiful spontaneous order”… the realities of sex workers are ugly. being raped several times a day, isolated and abused by pimps, a life of drugs and alcohol to numb the disturbing reality… I will not generalize that this is the situation of all sex workers, as it is clearly not your case, ( I am not sure if you a sex trade worker or prostituted person yourself) but I was, and know this painful reality.

In fact, 90% of the womyn in the club where I worked had pimps, and certainly were not exercising “an alternate feminist voice”. My experience was, and from reading the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women website is that womyn most commonly enter the sex trade from a history of abuse, low self esteem and lack of social network. Many womyn are migrants and are taken advantage of in situations of poverty (nations facing poverty as a result often of the free markets) and abuse (again, systematically promoted through patriarchy).

I would like the pro-choice arguers to think of the points I make, not very eloquently or in depth I admit. But I want them to think to consider that their arguments are coming from a privileged position, a position that most sex workers do not enjoy, and that pro-choice arguments that do not acknowledge that they come from a position of power, are in fact, detracting from the fact that the majority of sex workers are oppressed and not “libertarians”, and are counter productive to supporting these womyn who do need protecting.

]]> By: Canada » sikhchic.com | The Art and Culture of the Diaspora | Guru Nanak ... http://www.lauraagustin.com/prevention-of-trafficking-keeping-women-at-home-more-like#comment-855 Canada » sikhchic.com | The Art and Culture of the Diaspora | Guru Nanak ... Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:02:41 +0000 http://www.lauraagustin.com/?p=3819#comment-855 [...] Exotic Dancers | Migrant Women | Canada | Trafficking | Sex Work …A proposal in Canada would allow immigration authorities to refuse visas for migrant women on the grounds that they might be exploited, even when they are going to do legal jobs, including exotic dancing. … migrant or victim of trafficking is central to a study of children’s migration in West Africa. Photo Phuong Tran/IRIN. Research into how ‘child trafficking’ works is revealing the flaws inherent in this notion. Recently I published a post on some of the cultural [. … [...] [...] Exotic Dancers | Migrant Women | Canada | Trafficking | Sex Work …A proposal in Canada would allow immigration authorities to refuse visas for migrant women on the grounds that they might be exploited, even when they are going to do legal jobs, including exotic dancing. … migrant or victim of trafficking is central to a study of children’s migration in West Africa. Photo Phuong Tran/IRIN. Research into how ‘child trafficking’ works is revealing the flaws inherent in this notion. Recently I published a post on some of the cultural [. … [...]

]]> By: CK http://www.lauraagustin.com/prevention-of-trafficking-keeping-women-at-home-more-like#comment-828 CK Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:07:25 +0000 http://www.lauraagustin.com/?p=3819#comment-828 "The women’s movement was supposed to be about independence, options, equal opportunities." It was meant to be so, but it isn’t so any more. The most feminists today are men-hating, sex-negative, paternalistic women who demand all kind of stupid things (quotas, so-called anti-discrimination-laws which reduce economic freedom, all kind of privileges only for women, laws against sex work and migration etc). It's no coincidence that they are conservatives or socialists. They don’t trust freedom, the free mind, free markets, they fear the beautiful “spontaneous order” (F. von Hayek) created by free men in a free society, they prefer to have total control over society and to impose their will on it. That's why they like the nanny state and hate libertarians like us. An alternative feminist voice: http://www.ifeminists.net/ “The women’s movement was supposed to be about independence, options, equal opportunities.”

It was meant to be so, but it isn’t so any more. The most feminists today are men-hating, sex-negative, paternalistic women who demand all kind of stupid things (quotas, so-called anti-discrimination-laws which reduce economic freedom, all kind of privileges only for women, laws against sex work and migration etc).

It’s no coincidence that they are conservatives or socialists. They don’t trust freedom, the free mind, free markets, they fear the beautiful “spontaneous order” (F. von Hayek) created by free men in a free society, they prefer to have total control over society and to impose their will on it. That’s why they like the nanny state and hate libertarians like us.

An alternative feminist voice:
http://www.ifeminists.net/

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