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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/helping-women-who-sell-sex-the-construction-of-benevolent-identities#comment-5378</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex workers&#039; clients should see sex workers as friends and allies.  It will require some consciousness-raising.  I would like to get involved in politically organizing clients of sex workers.  

What are some of the ways I could go about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sex workers&#8217; clients should see sex workers as friends and allies.  It will require some consciousness-raising.  I would like to get involved in politically organizing clients of sex workers.  </p>
<p>What are some of the ways I could go about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Agustín</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Agustín</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello again. you ask questions to which i want to cite my own work to answer and i don&#039;t imagine i will say anything so different here.

i appreciate nead&#039;s work but don&#039;t talk about myth myself. rather i found that selling sex did not endow one with a set identity before the designation of prostitutes as victims. ancient-world women who sold sex were not seen as they began to be during the Rise of the Social - see lerner and others. also the term whore referred and still refers to more people than sex-sellers.

one would have to do research to know about the point you raise - whether there was simply more money available to carry out social helping. i doubt it because my research did not turn this up but rather pointed to new priorities from the bourgeoisie plus a notable increase in numbers of somewhat educated women who wanted to find respectable work.

visualising prostitutes as a public-health problem came later and is not the whole story. saving them from their fate was more important, i believe. for me it&#039;s about the rise of social helping and bureaucracy, hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello again. you ask questions to which i want to cite my own work to answer and i don&#8217;t imagine i will say anything so different here.</p>
<p>i appreciate nead&#8217;s work but don&#8217;t talk about myth myself. rather i found that selling sex did not endow one with a set identity before the designation of prostitutes as victims. ancient-world women who sold sex were not seen as they began to be during the Rise of the Social &#8211; see lerner and others. also the term whore referred and still refers to more people than sex-sellers.</p>
<p>one would have to do research to know about the point you raise &#8211; whether there was simply more money available to carry out social helping. i doubt it because my research did not turn this up but rather pointed to new priorities from the bourgeoisie plus a notable increase in numbers of somewhat educated women who wanted to find respectable work.</p>
<p>visualising prostitutes as a public-health problem came later and is not the whole story. saving them from their fate was more important, i believe. for me it&#8217;s about the rise of social helping and bureaucracy, hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: asehpe</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/helping-women-who-sell-sex-the-construction-of-benevolent-identities#comment-3239</link>
		<dc:creator>asehpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Augustín, this is a very interesting paper. I hope you don&#039;t mind if I ask you a few questions:

(a) you seem to be concluding (with Nead [1988]) that &#039;the prostitute,&#039; with all the attending details (the prostitute&#039;s fallen character and threat/danger to &#039;decency&#039;) was a 19th-century, Victorian myth; but isn&#039;t it the case that &#039;bad&#039; characterizations of women who sell sex abounded in the literature long before that (all the way to the &#039;Whore of Babylon&#039; in the Bible)?

(b) if so, isn&#039;t the difference actually in the fact that the 19th century (with the &#039;Rise of the Social&#039;) was simply the first time in history in which sufficiently many resources existed, and sufficiently many willing people could be found, to carry out the project to &#039;tackle&#039; the &#039;problem&#039; of prostitution -- which was seen as a problem long before that?

(c) in that spirit, the Foucauldian concept of the change in punishment would suggest, not that &#039;the prostitute&#039; suddenly emerged as a new myth, but that the old myth of the prostitute-as-danger now was going to be attacked as a &#039;health&#039; problem, as something to be &#039;cured&#039;, rather than as something to be &#039;punished&#039;? Or, in other words: isn&#039;t what happened to prostitution at the time simply the same as what happened to all other &#039;crimes&#039; and &#039;problems&#039; that traditionally had been seen as deserving &#039;punishment&#039; or &#039;sanction&#039;? (I note that injunctions to &#039;help the poor&#039; and examples about &#039;talking to and helping prostitutes&#039; go at least as far back as Jesus himself.)

Or, to summarize: was it a &#039;new myth&#039; into which, like a Procrustean bed, a new class of people was forced, no matter what they individual features were; or was it an &#039;old myth&#039; (which already included such people) which suddenly became a &#039;disease&#039; which the 19th-century finally thought it had the means to eradicate? If I understand Foucault correctly, the change was not that &#039;crime&#039; suddenly appeared as a category in need of resolution (via &#039;punishment&#039;), but that the social strategies/philosophy for dealing with it -- the meaning that (preexisting) crime had for that epoch, the role it played -- changed.

Or am I missing something here?

But anyway -- your paper is a great read, wonderful food for thought -- and has kept me up till 1:25 AM instead of going to sleep like a good boy should. Thank you very much! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Augustín, this is a very interesting paper. I hope you don&#8217;t mind if I ask you a few questions:</p>
<p>(a) you seem to be concluding (with Nead [1988]) that &#8216;the prostitute,&#8217; with all the attending details (the prostitute&#8217;s fallen character and threat/danger to &#8216;decency&#8217;) was a 19th-century, Victorian myth; but isn&#8217;t it the case that &#8216;bad&#8217; characterizations of women who sell sex abounded in the literature long before that (all the way to the &#8216;Whore of Babylon&#8217; in the Bible)?</p>
<p>(b) if so, isn&#8217;t the difference actually in the fact that the 19th century (with the &#8216;Rise of the Social&#8217;) was simply the first time in history in which sufficiently many resources existed, and sufficiently many willing people could be found, to carry out the project to &#8216;tackle&#8217; the &#8216;problem&#8217; of prostitution &#8212; which was seen as a problem long before that?</p>
<p>(c) in that spirit, the Foucauldian concept of the change in punishment would suggest, not that &#8216;the prostitute&#8217; suddenly emerged as a new myth, but that the old myth of the prostitute-as-danger now was going to be attacked as a &#8216;health&#8217; problem, as something to be &#8216;cured&#8217;, rather than as something to be &#8216;punished&#8217;? Or, in other words: isn&#8217;t what happened to prostitution at the time simply the same as what happened to all other &#8216;crimes&#8217; and &#8216;problems&#8217; that traditionally had been seen as deserving &#8216;punishment&#8217; or &#8216;sanction&#8217;? (I note that injunctions to &#8216;help the poor&#8217; and examples about &#8216;talking to and helping prostitutes&#8217; go at least as far back as Jesus himself.)</p>
<p>Or, to summarize: was it a &#8216;new myth&#8217; into which, like a Procrustean bed, a new class of people was forced, no matter what they individual features were; or was it an &#8216;old myth&#8217; (which already included such people) which suddenly became a &#8216;disease&#8217; which the 19th-century finally thought it had the means to eradicate? If I understand Foucault correctly, the change was not that &#8216;crime&#8217; suddenly appeared as a category in need of resolution (via &#8216;punishment&#8217;), but that the social strategies/philosophy for dealing with it &#8212; the meaning that (preexisting) crime had for that epoch, the role it played &#8212; changed.</p>
<p>Or am I missing something here?</p>
<p>But anyway &#8212; your paper is a great read, wonderful food for thought &#8212; and has kept me up till 1:25 AM instead of going to sleep like a good boy should. Thank you very much! <img src='http://www.lauraagustin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Helping Women Who Sell Sex: The Construction of Benevolent Identities &#124; beachbodyreview.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helping Women Who Sell Sex: The Construction of Benevolent Identities &#124; beachbodyreview.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here: Helping Women Who Sell Sex: The Construction of Benevolent Identities        Tagged with: 200-years &#8226; aimed-at-helping &#8226; europe &#8226; group &#8226; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers 2010 : : TroubledRelationships.org.</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/helping-women-who-sell-sex-the-construction-of-benevolent-identities#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers 2010 : : TroubledRelationships.org.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] both Laura Agustin&#8217;s &#8216;Helping women who sell sex&#8217; and Audacia Ray&#8217;s Things That Are Broken: Sex Worker Activism invite reflection on some of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: International Day to End Sex Worker Violence 2010 : : TroubledRelationships.org.</title>
		<link>http://www.lauraagustin.com/helping-women-who-sell-sex-the-construction-of-benevolent-identities#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>International Day to End Sex Worker Violence 2010 : : TroubledRelationships.org.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issues relvant to male and trans workers, gay or straight). Meanwhile both Laura Agustin&#8217;s &#8216;Helping women who sell sex&#8217; and Audacia Ray&#8217;s Things That Are Broken: Sex Worker Activism invite reflection on some of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Helping Women Who Sell Sex: The Construction of Benevolent Identities &#187; Lawyer Health Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helping Women Who Sell Sex: The Construction of Benevolent Identities &#187; Lawyer Health Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Salvation Army attacks sex-positive activist through its human trafficking email list &#171; Clarisse Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salvation Army attacks sex-positive activist through its human trafficking email list &#171; Clarisse Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 06:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wrong With the Trafficking Crusade?&#8221; If you don&#8217;t mind academic writing, Agustín&#8217;s paper on the history of sex worker &#8220;rescue&#8221; initiatives is also particularly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lowid</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greets! Really interesting.  keep working!  Tnx!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greets! Really interesting.  keep working!  Tnx!</p>
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